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Old 04-22-2006, 08:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I am in total abhorrence to the death penalty and in October 2005 began writing to the Indonesian President trying to intervene this very thing. Here is a letter that I wrote regarding this.
This letter is located at FPSS.

FPSS Member appeals to Indonesian President on behalf of Bali Nine

10/10/2005 Attention: President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono
Istana Merdeka Jakarta
10110
Indonesia


Your excellency

I write to you as an Australian citizen residing in New Zealand and also as a concerned member of Amnesty International Urgent Action Group – which is an impartial organisation working on behalf of prisoners of conscience, against the death penalty, torture, political killings and disappearances.

Today being the 10th of October 2005, an important day in this year marking the World Day Against The Death Penalty, and an appropriate time to raise your awareness of the plight of my fellow Australian citizens Matthew Norman, 18, Renae Lawrence, 27, Myuran Sukumaran, 24, Andrew Chan, 21, Scott Rush, 19, Tach Duc Thanh Nguyen, 27, Martin Stephens, 29, Michael Czugaj, 19 and Si Yi Chen, 20, whom all could be facing the death penalty if convicted for drug smuggling. Also the many other foreign prisoners and Nationals incarcerated in the jails in Indonesia facing the death penalty.

On 5 August 2004, Indonesia carried out its first execution in more than three years. Ayodhya Prasad Chaubey, an Indian national convicted of drug-trafficking in 1994, was executed by firing squad. Two Thai Nationals, Saelow Prasert (m) and Namsong Sirilak (f), who had been sentenced to death in the same case, were executed on 1 October 2004.

Eight other people, all of whom have been sentenced for drug-related offences, are at imminent risk of execution after their appeals for Presidential clemency were rejected in June and July 2004. A total approximately of at least 54 people are currently believed to be under sentence of death in Indonesia, 30 of them for drug-related offences.

I am concerned that these recent developments reflect an increasing willingness by the authorities to use the death penalty to address crime, in particular drug-trafficking, and I am alarmed at official statements that further executions will be carried out in the near future. This would constitute a setback for human rights in Indonesia, which has only rarely imposed this cruel and inhuman form of punishment.

The process of legal reform in Indonesia is ongoing. And I congratulate Indonesia for ratifying a number of international treaties on human rights and it's commitment to ratifying others in the near future. Within this process of reform Indonesia must ensure that the law is brought in line with international standards relating to capital punishment that establish the greatest possible protection for individuals facing the death penalty.

At least 30 people are currently believed to be under sentence of death after having been convicted of drug-related offences. Among them are 20 foreign nationals. Six of those sentenced to death for drug-related offences are women. To date three men and one woman have been executed for drug-trafficking. They are Ayodhya Prasad Chaubey, Namsong Sirilak and Saelow Prasert who were executed in 2004 and Chan Ting Chong (Steven Chong) who was executed in 1995. All four had been sentenced under the 1976 Narcotics Law (Law no. 9/1976) which was in place before new legislation was introduced in 1997.

The trade in and use of illicit drugs is a world-wide problem, and I recognizes that the increased calls for the death penalty reflects a genuine need to protect the community from this threat. However, no convincing evidence has been produced that the death penalty deters would be drug-traffickers and suppliers more effectively than other punishments.

Although various UN bodies have made statements regarding the trade in illicit drugs, the UN has never endorsed the use of the death penalty to suppress drug-trafficking and abuse. Indeed, the reverse is true. The UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions has urged that "the death penalty should be eliminated for crimes such as economic crimes and drug-related offences"

I Understand that Indonesia has a strong stance on combating drug crimes and that the need for effective measures to combat crime, including drug-related and economic crimes needs to be seen as staunch.. However, the death penalty is qualitatively different from other forms of punishment, such as imprisonment, in that it is irrevocable. It is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment and a violation of the fundamental right to life. International human rights standards stipulate that the death penalty should only be imposed for the most serious of crimes, and favour moving towards complete abolition.

Article 6(2) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) states that, " In countries which have not abolished the death penalty, sentence of death may be imposed only for the most serious crimes". The UN Human Rights Committee established to oversee the implementation of the ICCPR, provides the most authoritative interpretation of the ICCPR. It has stated that " The expression 'most serious crime' must be read restrictively to mean that the death penalty should be a quite exceptional measure".

Your Excellency I beg of you to take immediate steps towards the abolition of the death penalty, in accordance with UN Commission on Human Rights resolutions, by declaring a moratorium on all executions; and commute all pending death sentences to terms of imprisonment. Also to amend all relevant articles of Indonesia's Criminal Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Pidana, KUHP) so that they do not provide for the death penalty, and to ratify the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) in line with Indonesia's commitments under its National Plan of Action on Human Rights. I beg of you to take concrete steps to ensure that all prosecutions, in particular those for crimes carrying the death penalty, meet the highest international standards for fair trial. This would include the right to adequate legal representation at every stage of proceedings, adequate access to interpretation and freedom from torture or ill-treatment.

I thank you for your valuable time and I would be grateful if you could confirm that your government does indeed oppose such practices

I look forward to hearing from you on this important matter.

Yours sincerely

Kathryn Talmage
Member of Foreign Prisoner Support Service
Member of AI Urgent Action Team
Member of AI NZ
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Old 04-25-2006, 04:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi all, gees where is everybody?

Received this in an email today

Another worthwhile organisation on the death penalty



U.S.: States Negligent in Use of Lethal Injections
Execution Method May Cause Agonizing Death

(New York, April 24, 2006) – Incompetence, negligence, and
irresponsibility by U.S. states put condemned prisoners at needless risk of
excruciating pain during lethal injection executions, Human Rights Watch
said in a report released today. Lethal injections are used in 37 of the 38
death penalty states in the United States and by the federal government.
Every execution in 2005 was by lethal injection.

The 65-page report, "So Long as They Die: Lethal Injections in the United
States," reveals the slipshod history of executions by lethal injection, using
a protocol created three decades ago with no scientific research, nor
modern adaptation, and still unchanged today. As the prisoner lies
strapped to a gurney, a series of three drugs is injected into his vein by
executioners hidden behind a wall. A massive dose of sodium thiopental,
an anesthetic, is injected first, followed by pancuronium bromide, which
paralyzes voluntary muscles, but leaves the prisoner fully conscious and
able to experience pain. A third drug, potassium chloride, quickly causes
cardiac arrest, but the drug is so painful that veterinarian guidelines
prohibit its use unless a veterinarian first ensures that the pet to be put
down is deeply unconscious. No such precaution is taken for prisoners
being executed.

"The U.S. takes more care killing dogs than people," said Jamie Fellner,
U.S. program director at Human Rights Watch and co-author of the report.
"Just because a prisoner may have killed without care or conscience does
not mean that the state should follow suit."

Human Rights Watch opposes capital punishment in all circumstances and
calls for its abolition. But until the 38 death penalty states and the federal
government abolish capital punishment, international human rights law
requires them to ensure they have developed a method of execution that
will reduce, to the greatest extent possible, the condemned prisoner’s risk
of mental or physical pain and suffering.

Human Rights Watch urges that states suspend execution by lethal
injection until they have conducted a thorough review and assessment of
existing and alternative methods.

The drug sequence used in the United States was developed in 1977 by a
medical examiner in Oklahoma who had no expertise in pharmacology or
anesthesia. Texas quickly adopted Oklahoma’s protocol, and at least 34
other states then did too. (Nevada’s protocol remains secret). Human Right
Watch found that none of the states consulted medical experts to ascertain
whether the original three-drug sequence could be adapted to lessen the
risk of pain to the prisoner by using other drugs or methods of
administering them.

"Copycatting is not the right way to decide how to put people to death,"
said Fellner. "If a state is going to execute someone, it must do its
homework, consult with experts, and select a method designed to inflict
the least possible pain and suffering."

Without adequate or properly-administered anesthesia, prisoners executed
by the three-drug sequence would be conscious during suffocation caused
by the paralytic agent, and would feel the fiery pain from the potassium
chloride coursing through their veins. Logs from recent executions in
California, and toxicology reports from recent executions in North
Carolina, suggest prisoners may in fact have been inadequately
anesthetized before being put to death.

Corrections agencies have rejected the option of executing prisoners with
a single massive injection of a barbiturate, even though that should
provide a painless death, because such a method would force executioners
and witnesses to wait about 30 minutes longer for the prisoner’s heart to
stop beating. Corrections officials have also resisted eliminating the
pancuronium bromide – the paralytic agent – even though its use makes it
much harder to tell if a prisoner is sufficiently anesthetized. The drug is
not needed to kill the prisoner, nor does it protect him from pain: it
appears intended mainly to keep his body from twitching or convulsing
while dying. It also masks any pain the prisoner might be feeling, since he
cannot move, cry out, or even blink his eyes.

"Prison officials have been more concerned about sparing the sensitivities
of executioners and witnesses than protecting the condemned prisoner
from pain," said Fellner. "They are more concerned with appearances than
with the reality."

Although prisoners have for years brought legal claims that lethal
injections were unconstitutionally cruel, courts have until recently given
short shrift to their arguments. Troubled by new and powerful evidence of
possibly botched executions, federal courts in California and North
Carolina have this year refused to permit scheduled executions to take
place using the standard lethal injection protocol. On April 26, the U.S.
Supreme Court will hear oral arguments about the procedures a prisoner
must follow to challenge lethal injections.

Until recent years, the United States was the only country in the world that
used lethal injection as an execution method. Several other countries that
have not yet abolished the death penalty have followed: China started
using lethal injection in 1997; Guatemala executed its first prisoner by
lethal injection in 1998; and the Philippines and Thailand have had lethal
injection execution laws in place since 2001 (although to date, they have
not executed anyone by this method).

To read the report, "So Long as They Die: Lethal Injections in the United
States," please visit: http://hrw.org/reports/2006/us0406/
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Well... reading that just put me off my morning coffee.

The human race can be so cruel.

Thanx for the article kiwi.
 
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Well... reading that just put me off my morning coffee.

The human race can be so cruel.

Thanx for the article kiwi.
Gday possum - how ya been mate?
 
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Hello to friends I already know- Admin and Possum!

I have never supported the death penalty at anytime in my life. I haven't made a big deal about it till now. But the extra 4 Bali mules being sentenced to death, when the prosecutors had only asked for life, has really shocked me. I'm angry at both Governments for allowing it. And the intelligence sharing system we have at the moment with SE Asia that can set young, misguided people up with a death penalty.

That must change after this. I know the security services cannot do a complete overhaul and totally reverse direction because the rise in intelligence sharing is because of terrorism fears etc. But what about Scott Rush for instance, where everybody knew ahead of time what was going to happen. The AFP, with help from Indon authorities and Scotts father, knew everything they needed to.

Yet the AFP allowed this to happen, handing the 9 to the Bali authorities, because they want to stop drugs from entering our country. Well how about stopping a young man from becoming a mule first? Scare the crap out of him to stop him going over -- that's what his father wanted them to do.

And then yesterday the communication breaks down between our 2 countries and our Foreign minister knew as much about the new death sentences as my next door neighbor did.

A long sentence sure. Heroin smuggling is no joke.
 
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"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian citizen to the death penalty".

From article earlier this year-

http://subs.nzherald.co.nz/section/s...ectid=10368923

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The AFP's role in the arrest of the Bali Nine is among the most sensitive of the issues facing Prime Minister John Howard, who has already weathered a barrage of criticism that has extended even into his own party room.

The AFP caught the first whispers of a major heroin importing run in February last year and, in April, asked the Indonesian police to help uncover the members of the syndicate and the source of their supplies.

Between them, the two forces discovered most of the names and built a remarkably accurate picture of their operation, including details of a previous successful run and another aborted attempt.

This co-operation has become increasingly commonplace, spurred by the determination of all countries in the region to attack drug trafficking and terrorism. Intelligence swapping is required under a number of treaties.

"We make no secret of the fact that the AFP has a policy of forward engagement where we want to stop the crimes at the source and (prevent them) from reaching Australian shores," Phelan said. "That's a practice we will continue to operate within."

What worries many Australians is the fact that the AFP in effect turned over a group of young Australians to a country it knew was likely to execute them, rather than arresting them when they arrived home.

The most emotional response centred on Scott Rush, 20, a drug mule who was jailed for life. His family, through lawyer Bob Myers, vainly asked the AFP to warn Rush of their interest before he left Australia.

"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian citizen to the death penalty," Myers told Australian Story.

Rush and fellow mules Renae Lawrence, Martin Stephens and Michael Czugaj took the AFP to the Federal Court, claiming it had acted illegally by exposing them to the death penalty.

While a large part of public opinion agreed, the court dismissed the action.

The Government has also sidestepped criticism, pointing out that while the relevant treaty with Indonesia contains a clause allowing the Attorney-General to refuse to provide evidence if an Australian was charged with an offence carrying the death penalty, the AFP was free to do as it thought best until charges were laid.

By the time the Bali Nine were formally charged, all the damaging evidence had been gathered.
 
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Until recent years, the United States was the only country in the world that
used lethal injection as an execution method. Several other countries that
have not yet abolished the death penalty have followed: China started
using lethal injection in 1997; Guatemala executed its first prisoner by
lethal injection in 1998; and the Philippines and Thailand have had lethal
injection execution laws in place since 2001 (although to date, they have
not executed anyone by this method).


Why print this here? My understanding is that the 4 people from the bali 9 group will be executed by a firing squad. This is an appropriate punishment for the offence committed and they do not have to suffer from the side effects as you describe from the lethal injection. the lethal injection is more like the deaths the Bali 9 caused themselves in drug addicts.
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Old 09-21-2006, 11:55 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Hiya,

I just joined the board today, and voted 'NO' in the poll ... I am anti death penalty ... always have been ... totally against this out-dated, barbaric form of torture as punishment.

I was dumbstruck when the sentences passed down on appeal were changed to death ... and want to try and help ... in whatever way possible ... to make the next year or so bearable by supporting these young Aussies any way I possibly can.

Do any of you on this board write to any of the Bali 9 ... or know any of them or their families ? ... it would give them a wee glimmer of hope to see print-outs from this web-site letting them see there are folks out here who realize the mental torture they must be going through.

I write to a guy who is on death row in Florida, USA ... last night one of his mates was excuted by lethal injection ... for his involement in a robbery ... where tragically, a cop died ...

Look forward to hearing if there's any practical ways of helping here ... apart from the obvious ... writing to John Howard ... asking him to get the finger out now before it's too late ...
 
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