coolkiwi

hi all, now you may not like what i am saying but see it my way please. i had a very very good friend that died from drugs. These drugs were carried into New Zealand by people like those of the Bali 9. i suspect also strapped to their bodies. Like the Bali 9 they did that eager to get rich quick. my friend had to die because of these, what i call real terrorists.
many people say terrorists should get death penalties for willingly killing so many people. In this case, the drug mules here involved carried the drugs to get rich, knowing that their drugs would create havoc. they brought that stuff into a justice system that correctly treats these people with what they should receive, the death penalty.
Now I understand very well if the criminals are friends of yours that it feels different. However, stay a little realistic and see it from my side. these people are not known to me. people like them murdered my friend.
i want them to die.

now think again, who is weird, you or me?

johan

admin

Listen dummy - you arent too bright are you? Thats ok though because there are special shelters where you can go to seek help mmm kay!

Your friend murdered himself!! No one stuck the needle in his arm but him. Your argument is dumb. Maybe we should accuse the guys who build cars of murder everytime someone kills themselves in a single vehicle accident!?!

Noone thinks drug smuggling is a good thing but everyone and i mean EVERYONE makes mistakes. If we killed everyone who made a mistake there wouldnt be a person left on the planet.

Only a slimey turd like yourself would support terrorists while insisting young people be put to death.

Shame on you yohan.

possum

Spare a thought for your friend Johan... your friend made a very bad choice in life.

You need to let go of your anger and stop finding other people to blame for your friend's early departure. Think of all the good times and take a positive outlook. If you feel so strongly about drugs then get out on the streets and help some of the junkies that are following the path your friend took. Mentor them and guide them back to reality. Without the users the traffikers are out of business.

May your friend rest in peace

sweet~sage

Johan,
I'm sorry to hear you lost your friend to a drug overdose. I have had friends die from OD also. That sounds tragic and traumatic and I hope that you are able to find support in your grief.

However, I must agree in part with the other two posts. Your friend is responsible for the actions he took. A hundred witless drug mules could be put to death and your friend, all things considered, would still most probably be dead.

I wonder how far drug mules really do consider the implications of their actions? Is a drug mule necessarily thinking of the people who might OD from the drugs they carry - or are their eyes fixed firmly on the prize, with all the fear, anxiety and uncertainty of their involvement with whom I imagine to be fairly ruthless characters and life or death consequences if they are caught or screw up. Wherever there are big dollars to be protected, the stakes are incrementally higher. If the focus of a drug mule were on the "morality" of the situation, chances are they would not be in that position.

Tragic as it is, the real tragedy to me lies in the harsh punitive measures taken against drug mules when they are, in fact, one tiny, insignificant part of a very powerful whole which is controlled by very powerful people, including corporate and government interests. Drug mules really are the ultimate definition of "pawn".

My brother in law used heroin for over 20 years - I dread to think how much suffering he shot through his veins from the long line of pawns used to facilitate the arrival of the heroin he used in Australia.

Johan, by your logic - your friend screwed those pawns over in using heroin without considering who might have suffered along the way just as much as the pawns screwed your friend over by supporting a multi-billion dollar industry which feeds off the suffering and unhappiness of millions of people.

Blame won't bring you resolution and it's not going to bring your friend back. If you want to honour his death, allow him the right to take responsibility for his own actions. It was a tragic mistake and he is entitled to make it, in the same way those caught up in the drug trade are entitled to make mistakes.

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admin

Welcome to the forums sweetsage

I agree with your post 100% - thanks alot for joining

sweet~sage

Hi and thank you for the welcome!

I welcome the opportunity to contribute to this desperate situation and thank you for creating that opportunity via this forum.

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kate2006

The bottom line is that there are no pushers without pullers.

In defence of the Bali 9 I ask why, on top of the sentences these young people have already received, do people think they should be further punished?

To deprive anyone of their liberty is a harsh punishment, to keep them in run down jails, poorly fed, lacking basic facilities increases it. That they are young and far from home accentuates all the above. That lack of funds prevents their families from visiting them punishes them too - they are prisoners of their circumstances, and knowing their actions brought this upon their families adds to the punishment the Bali 9 must bear.

Where do people want it to end? How much more must be heaped upon them before they buckle under the strain of trying to cope.

I understand the anger of people who have lost family and friends to drugs, but if the Bali 9 have accepted that they 'did the crime and must do the time' - why must we make it harder for them. Is life , or even death, not enough?

We demean ourselves by such attitudes - a little compassion wouldn't go amiss.

admin

Honestly it is just a barbaric act that will achieve nothing whatsoever. Look at the Americans they have been happily killing their own citizens for years. Has it resulted in any less crimes being committed? Ofcourse not!!

The arrest and impending murder of these mules is nothing short of a game played by the goverments of both Indonesia and Australia. We all know they cant catch the big dealers so they have these media stunts every so often to convince the masses they are actually doing something.

How Mr Keelty sleeps at night knowing he is going to be responsible for their deaths is beyond me!!

darkfalz

I agree with you. These swine tried to bring the drugs into Australia. Thank Go they got caught on the Indonesian side of things so they could face REAL justice, not the joke justice imposed in Australia. Heck, Schapelle Corby's brother assaulted and robbed some people, more serious than what his sister did, and gets a 4 month suspended sentence?! That's beyond ridiculous.

possum

so who are you agreeing with exactly

most of us here oppose such cruel "justice"... you must be a mate of Keelty then.