Andy

> I must have struck a nerve..

Well considering how much bait you loaded into the first few lines, how could
one think otherwise. You should have directed it to whose "manifesto" you
were referring too. This is really what a troll does--check the definition.
Any reasonable person would have made the same conclusion I did--so no
you didn't hit a nerve.

Actually I wish they would lock this group to registered members because
the real problem today is that people are not willing to be accountable for
their own words. Its a unique thing with electronic media. Most people
would behave a lot differently if they had to look the same people face to
face.

However the technology has to work... :-(

> Nope...My first time here...and if you are the forum cop...You might go to Iran
> or China...where speech is regulated to fit the "theme" Do you suggest "we"
> must all follow "groupthink" for your approval?

Not really either :-) You might get that more from Kate :-)

There is an interesting "trend" that people hide behind "Unregistered" to
pump negative BS into the forum. That kind of thing is unacceptable to me
as well as most people who would post here.

Your points are indeed true and can't be argued against. Certainly the
points you brought up about the positions being smart--but thats also
not the point of this forum.

Perhaps it makes sense to start a "lets keep the kiddies that think they
can make money trafficing drugs inside the borders" forum. As I am also
a pragmatist you will probably acheive nothing in this.

> I don't think anything of value comes with burying your head in the sand and > then hope for a miracle - All condemned, non-Indonesians facing the death
> penalty are about 99.999% doomed. Upbeat, positive and acousitc guitars
> will not change that.

Great. We all knew that and apparently some lurker now knows it too.
But then again scanning the thread-baren title one would guess this. Where
is the positive contribution in sharing that?

Cheers


Andy